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- Usenet Mac Digest Friday, January 22, 1988 Volume 4 : Issue 10
-
- Today's Topics:
- Re: MultiFinder switch keys
- Project Management Software - HELP Please!
- Re: SPICE for the Mac?
- Serious MPW C bug!
- nuVista
- Re: Mac --> HP printers question
- SCSI and Serial HD on one system.
- Re: tcsh in AUX
- Re: X on Mac ][
- Re: MacExpo: Bursting at the seams
- Need a good ImageWriter Spooler
- Re: nuVista
- Re: MacExpo: Bursting at the seams
- About box in MF: Can I change it so....
- Re: Mac Finder (not so) Funny
- Re: Are Desktop files a good idea?
- About box searches??
- Re: Icons in menu: How?
- Graphing functions on the Macintosh
- robot quest
- Re: Adding to STR# resources
- Claris & MacTerminal?
- cheap spreadsheet?
- MacWorld Expo Report: Gassee's address
-
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: earleh@eleazar.Dartmouth.EDU (Earle R. Horton)
- Subject: Re: MultiFinder switch keys
- Date: 18 Jan 88 19:12:34 GMT
- Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
-
- In article <2408@Shasta.STANFORD.EDU>, satz@Shasta.STANFORD.EDU
- (Greg Satz) writes:
- > I got tired of always having to grab the mouse to switch MultiFinder
- > layers so I wrote this INIT that will allow a switch to be performed
- > via the keyboard. It will look for occurances of Option-Up arrow and
-
- This is a nice little INIT, but trying to use the keyboard switch from
- within VersaTerm PRO v 2.00 leads to disastrous results. On a Mac II,
- it scrambles the monitor. On a 512KE, it hangs the machine with
- mouse-freeze. This might have something do with the way VersaTerm PRO
- uses option-keys, but I wouldn't recommend using it with VersaTerm PRO.
- If you do, don't try to switch using the keyboard when in VersaTerm PRO,
- since you will certainly have to reboot.
- --
- *********************************************************************
- *Earle R. Horton, H.B. 8000, Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH 03755 *
- *********************************************************************
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: parora@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Pavneet Arora)
- Subject: Project Management Software - HELP Please!
- Date: 18 Jan 88 01:52:39 GMT
- Organization: University of Toronto Computing Services
-
- A friend of mine is looking for an integrated project management package
- which will have actual resources used as input only once, compared it
- with project projections, output reports etc., while also being tied
- into the payroll system.
-
- Does something like this exist? If so could you please send me the
- particulars. If not, then if anyone could make suggestions as to how
- this problem may be solved, I'd really appreciate it.
-
- Many thanks in advance.
- --
- Pavneet Arora
- parora@utgpu
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: markus@liutde.UUCP (Markus Kaipainen)
- Subject: Re: SPICE for the Mac?
- Date: 18 Jan 88 10:42:23 GMT
- Organization: Dep. of E. Eng., Linkoping University, S-581 83 Linkoping Sweden
-
- We have ported SPICE 2.G.6 to both Mac+ and Mac II. However, the Mac+
- version still has a "feature". It must be properly loaded into the
- memory. If you wish to have a copy, please send us 3 disks.
-
- Markus Kaipainen
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: mkb@ROVER.RI.CMU.EDU (Mike Blackwell)
- Subject: Serious MPW C bug!
- Date: 19 Jan 88 04:24:06 GMT
- Organization: Carnegie-Mellon University, CS/RI
-
- If you're using MPW 2.0 C, beware of floating point operations. I just
- spent two hours tracking down the following bug (it took that long,
- because it was a complicated program, and I didn't even think to look
- for such a major compiler bug). Try this simple program:
- --
- #include <stdio.h>
-
- main()
- {
- float a, b, c;
-
- a = 2.0; b = 3.0; c = 0.0;
- c += a * b;
- printf("a = %f, b = %f, a*b = %f, c = %f\n", a, b, a * b, c);
- }
-
- Guess what you get...
- a = 2.0000, b = 3.0000, a*b = 6.0000, c = 0.0000
-
- In fact, trying to get around this with c = c + a * b; will also give you
- the same results! The same holds true for using doubles or comps instead of
- floats. Using extendeds does seem to work, however. I still can't believe
- this. And this DID work in the beta release of 2.0! Arrrrrggggghhhhhh!!!!!!
-
- While I'm bitching about MPW, quick and dirty programs which just use stdio
- for output (like this one) crash instantly under Multifinder. And you'd
- think, with the horsepower of a Mac2 on my desk, I could compile, or at
- least print, in the background, but nooo.... Most every other application
- can take advantage of background printing these days. Humph. And I used to
- love MPW.
-
- Mike Blackwell
- The Robotics Institute, Carnegie-Mellon University
- ARPA: mkb@rover.ri.cmu.edu
- (412) 268-8830
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: billr@houxj.UUCP (UNIX Group)
- Subject: nuVista
- Date: 17 Jan 88 23:04:04 GMT
- Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Holmdel
-
- Without going into detail (I don't have the press release materials)
-
- Truevision - formerly AT&T EPICenter has announced a version of the
- Vista board for the MAC II. The only macII video board you'll ever
- need/want.
-
- 4mb of image memory,TI co-processor,fast multi-frame image capture, many
- display modes (around 1k by 1k by 32 bit color plus many others).
-
- So this baby will give you what you really wanted all along...
- live/captured/animated full color video in a mac window. acts like any
- other macII video card (compatable with current applications) sell your
- car/house/children it's $6000 Development toolkit available etc. I think
- there is an 8mb version too.
-
- shipping in a few months - get your order in now.
-
- this is posted for info only ... I may be wrong on the specs.
-
- or not.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: stephens@hpcupt1.HP.COM (Greg Stephens)
- Subject: Re: Mac --> HP printers question
- Date: 18 Jan 88 16:57:44 GMT
- Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino
-
- I have to agree with Jan, having used the LaserStart driver with the LJ
- it is basically a laserprinted (75dpi) version of the Imagewriter.
- However you can choose to print at 150 or 300 dpi, but since everything
- is still in bit image format the scaling is not very good and it takes a
- lot longer to print.
-
- I am waiting to hear of a Postscript card for the LJ II. Anyone heard
- of one yet?
-
- Regarding plotter drivers. I have used PlotStart and MacPlots II. I do
- not recommend PlotStart. MacPlots II is better but still leaves
- something to be desired. It depends upon what you are using the plotter
- for. If you are using it for presentation graphics or anything where
- creative font selection is important, you can forget the Mac <-> plotter
- connection since all of the plotter drivers only support the imbedded
- stick font that is included in the plotter. This limitations is, I
- think, the biggest hole in the Mac's strong offering as a
- text/graphics/wp/dtp machine. If you want to connect to a plotter for
- engineering type applications where font selection is not that important
- then you may find that MacPlots II will work just fine.
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: mason@hillst.dec.com (Explaining is not understanding)
- Subject: SCSI and Serial HD on one system.
- Date: 19 Jan 88 13:31:11 GMT
- Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation
-
- I have a 512KE with 2MB of RAM, and an add-on SCSI port. I also have a
- serial HD (MacBottom - attached to the printer port) which requires
- booting from floppy. I wish to add a SCSI HD to the system, and use
- the serial HD for online storage/backup only (NOT as a system disk).
- The way I see it, the SCSI would boot at power-up, and if (only if) I
- run the 'Electric Start' program thereafter, manually, I will be able
- to gain access to the serial. Anybody out there do/done this? Anyone
- see any problems I might expect using this method??
- --
- Thanks a lot...
- Gary
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: verber@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark A. Verber)
- Subject: Re: tcsh in AUX
- Date: 19 Jan 88 13:18:37 GMT
- Organization: Ohio State University, Computer Science
-
- As I stated before, tcsh will run under A/UX. If you are having
- problems compiling it under A/UX you should contact Paul Placeway
- paul@ohio-state.arpa or cbosgd!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!paul for
- help. We have had tcsh running under A/UX since early Spring.
- --
- Cheers,
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
- Computer Science Department Mark A. Verber
- The Ohio State University verber@ohio-state.arpa
- +1 (614) 292-7344 cbosgd!osu-cis!verber
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: verber@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mark A. Verber)
- Subject: Re: X on Mac ][
- Date: 19 Jan 88 13:29:31 GMT
- Organization: Ohio State University, Computer Science
-
- Yes, X.10 exists for the Mac II under A/UX. Some guys at Berkeley have
- do a first cut port of X. Warning: It is really slow and quite a
- resource hog. You don't want to run it with less that 5mb or RAM. Then
- again, A/UX would like about that much memory for itself. (Remember when
- v7 ran happilly in nothing?) I believe there are plans to do a X.11
- prot, and to localize the port to the Nac II hardware, i.e. use the
- toolbox for graphics. I haven't heard yet how this is coming. I expect
- that OSU will do it if no one else gets around to it in the next few
- months.
- --
- Cheers,
- Mark
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: paul@dana.UUCP (Paul Ausick)
- Subject: Re: MacExpo: Bursting at the seams
- Date: 19 Jan 88 01:55:54 GMT
- Organization: Dana Computer, Inc., Sunnyvale, CA
-
- >
- > ...lots of interesting stuff...
- > DTP programs in excess. I got stuff on PageMaker 3.0, RSG 4.0, Scoop,
- > Xpress, and Interleaf. RSG is still on top, in my eyes, although PageMaker
- > is better for shorter, more graphic pieces...
-
- I really thought the new Xpress was superior in every way to all other
- products (I currently use PageMaker2.0). I'll probably buy a copy when
- it gets on the shelf.
-
- One thing Chuq didn't mention, but that just knocked me out was a demo
- of Knowledge Engineering's _Lithographer_ at the RasterOps booth. Bill
- Bates, company prez, was using a MacII to show this off. It's a
- combination of a draw and paint program, but you could use it in the
- same way as ImageStudio on a 24-bit color image. That's damn cool. But
- the most impressive part (Bates said he wasn't sure he was going to sell
- Lithographer) was the sample printed output he brought along. Bates has
- written a PostScript-compatible(clone) driver for an imagesetter called
- The Ultrasetter. Output resolution is 3000 dpi. Bates understands that
- all the flashy graphics in the world isn't worth much unless you can get
- it on paper for a reasonable price. He hopes to have a product
- announcement in the spring. Watch for it. It won't be the biggest
- announcement of the year, just the most important.
- --
- /Paul Ausick
- Dana Computer, Inc.
- 550 Del Rey Ave. uucp: ...hplabs!dana!paul
- Sunnyvale, CA 94086 408/732-0400
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: perkins@acf8.UUCP (Mark E. Perkins)
- Subject: Need a good ImageWriter Spooler
- Date: 19 Jan 88 17:31:00 GMT
- Organization: New York University
-
- Has anyone had any (good) experience with ImageWriter spoolers?
- Configuration is a 512E w/ 2MB (Dove). MacSpool (Mainstay) is OK,
- unless one wants to use a RAM disk. The RAM disk part of MacSpool
- doesn't allow loading at startup, so it's a pain in the %$* to use. The
- spooler part causes no end of problems when used with Switcher or with
- another RAM disk (i.e., RamStart).
-
- Can anyone tell me anything about the spooler from SuperMac? Judging
- from the enthusiasm about DiskFit, my guess would be that stuff from
- SuperMac is pretty solid, no?
- --
- Mark Perkins Walk softly and carry a megawatt laser.
-
- Internet: mark@vml.psych.nyu.edu (that's VEE-EM-ELL)
- Usenet: {seismo|ihnp4|allegra}!cmcl2!vml!mark
- US Mail: Department of Psychology, NYU
- 6 Washington Place, room 970
- New York, NY 10003
- Phone: (212) 998-7861
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: edmoy@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;YF37)
- Subject: Re: nuVista
- Date: 19 Jan 88 18:49:26 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
-
- Yes, I saw it, too, and was most impressed. However, they didn't show
- the QuickDraw interface, so I'd be a little cautious right now.
-
- I don't recall them mentioning a 8 Mb version, but I do remember a 2 Mb
- one.
-
- For those who didn't see it, we are talking about 24-bit color here. If
- you've ever seen 24-bit color, you can never again be satisfied with 8
- bit color.
-
- There was also another video card (can't remeber the name; my poop
- sheets are at home) that was actual showing a Mac application running,
- with the desktop being a video image from a camera rather than the usual
- gray. Imagine, not only can you get lost in you Mac playing with
- graphics, but you could watch television, too?!?!?!?!
- --
- Edward Moy
- Workstation Software Support Group
- University of California
- Berkeley, CA 94720
-
- edmoy@violet.Berkeley.EDU
- ucbvax!violet!edmoy
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: edmoy@violet.berkeley.edu
- Subject: Re: MacExpo: Bursting at the seams
- Date: 19 Jan 88 19:20:39 GMT
- Organization: University of California, Berkeley
-
- In article <39117@sun.uucp> chuq@plaid.Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
- writes:
- >This was the year the Mac went Hyper. If I never see the word Hyper again,
- >I'll be happy. A few months ago, in Boston, Apple announced Hypercard. This
- >month, in San Francisco, the Mac Vendors went Hyper.
-
- Other than "hyper", the word that impressed me was "color". Lots of it.
- Lots of color monitors and video cards to choose from, such as
- SuperMac, PCPC, Jasmine, E-machines, etc. Most were 8-bit color, but
- there were at least five 24-bit color systems (RasterOp, Jasmine,
- SuperMac, TrueVision and Mass-Micro Systems). The last two are designed
- to capture video signal (from a camera or VCR) in 24-bit color at 30
- frames per second.
-
- And there was three color printers that I saw (QMS, CalComp, Versatec).
- These were all based on the multi-pass wax toner process and were either
- 200 or 300 dpi. They only cost 14 arms and 32 legs :-)
-
- On a related topic, there were ump-teen video digiters and scanners at
- the show. Of mention is ProViz, which uses a video camera mounted in a
- copy stand. It has color filters that go in front of the lens to take
- separate images in red, green and blue (a poor-man's way of color
- digitizing, but ProViz still isn't what I would call cheap).
-
- >Speaking of hyperventilating, trying to breathe was an interesting exercise
- >at this years MacExpo. It's interesting to put things in perspective. Two
-
- I heard that a total of 30,000 people attended last year's MacExpo.
- This year, 20,000 attended just on Friday! I don't know what the final
- figures are.
-
- Thursday the 14 was "VIP day" by invitation only. It was alot nicer,
- being many fewer people than Friday or Saturday. At the opening talk,
- they showed some of the old videos (like the scene of "1984" with a
- women throwing a hammer and smashing the giant video monitor). They had
- a new video of what 1997 (ten years hence) would be like. Besides
- implying that Macs would take over the computer world, the scene I liked
- the most was one showing a new Mac, shaped like sunglasses with floppy
- disks the size of postage stamps!
- --
- Edward Moy
- Workstation Software Support Group
- University of California
- Berkeley, CA 94720
-
- edmoy@violet.Berkeley.EDU
- ucbvax!violet!edmoy
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: buzz@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Mahboud Zabetian)
- Subject: About box in MF: Can I change it so....
- Date: 19 Jan 88 18:46:54 GMT
- Organization: Advanced Technology, Princeton University
-
- I would like to be able to select the About Multifinder box, so it shows
- me the longer version, WITHOUT my holding down the option-clover keys.
-
- Is there a way(a patch, or using ResEdit)? The reason I want to do this
- is because I have added some of my own information in the STR# resource
- of MF, and I would like it displayed when I select About MF... I would
- rather not have to hold down the option and clover keys.
-
- Also, is it legal for me to change the STR# in MF?
-
- Thank you....
-
- --
- Mahboud Zabetian buzz@phoenix.princeton.edu
- 183 Little Hall (609) 520-1270
- Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544 (609) 734-7760
- ****** Anyone need a soon-to-graduate hardware/software engineer? ********
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: chuq@plaid.Sun.COM (Chuq Von Rospach)
- Subject: Re: Mac Finder (not so) Funny
- Date: 19 Jan 88 17:47:36 GMT
- Organization: Fictional Reality, uLtd
-
- > Well, what happens? When the dialog box disappears, the
- >finder neatly deletes not only the duplicate file, but the ORIGINAL file
- >itself. HARDLY friendly! The desktop appears to be purged of the file's
- >information, of course.
-
- This probably isn't the Finder's problem, but I've found that Doug
- Clapp's Word Tools causes problems under System Release 5.0, to the
- point where I pulled it off my hard disks. It creates a "Word Tools
- Preferences" file in the System Folder, as is normal these days.
-
- The fun starts when you try to do something like click on or move that
- file. The icon freaks out, followed shortly by the finder (and the
- system) going belly up with an ID=2. This is even more fun since you
- need to click on or move the file to delete it with the finder (talk
- about time bombs). I finally zapped it with Disktop, but after doing
- full backups, when I went to clean up with disk with DiskExpress it told
- me the directory structure was damaged. I can only assume (since this is
- the first time I've seen THAT message) that it was related to word
- tools.
-
- Hopefully, this'll be fixed in the next release of Word Tools, but I
- don't recommend running it under the current release of software. Anyone
- have any idea what they could have broken?
- --
- chuq
- Chuq "Fixed in 4.0" Von Rospach chuq@sun.COM Delphi: CHUQ
-
- What do you mean 'You don't really want to hurt her?'
- I'm a Super-Villain! That's my Schtick!
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: atchison@hpindda.HP.COM (Lee Atchison)
- Subject: Re: Are Desktop files a good idea?
- Date: 18 Jan 88 22:55:16 GMT
- Organization: HP Information Networks, Cupertino, CA
-
- Try putting your applications in a long-thin folder at the bottom of
- your screen. You no longer have to worry about hiding windows behind
- the desk top, and the icons are still easily accessible for your use.
-
- I know this sounds like a simplistic suggestion, but it works!!
- --
- -lee
- ------------
- Lee Atchison
- Hewlett Packard, Information Networks Division
- atchison%hpindda@hplabs.hp.com
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Mark Interrante)
- Subject: About box searches??
- Date: 19 Jan 88 21:53:35 GMT
- Organization: UF CIS Department
-
- Does anyone know of a program or a way to search the ABOUT BOXES that
- all files have? It seems like a logical extension to many of the "find
- file" programs out there.
- --
- Mark Interrante CIS Department
- University of Florida
- Internet: mfi@beach.cis.ufl.edu Gainesville, FL 32611
- (904) 335-8051
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: fry@huma1.HARVARD.EDU (David Fry)
- Subject: Re: Icons in menu: How?
- Date: 19 Jan 88 22:53:21 GMT
- Organization: Harvard Math Department
-
- You should put the resource number minus 256 into the menu's resource.
- Therefore the icon must be numbered from 257 to 511. BTW, make sure the
- icon is of type 'ICON' not 'ICN#'.
- --
- David Fry fry@huma1.harvard.EDU
- Department of Mathematics fry@harvma1.bitnet
- Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry
- Cambridge, MA 02138
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: fry@huma1.HARVARD.EDU (David Fry)
- Subject: Graphing functions on the Macintosh
- Date: 19 Jan 88 23:06:20 GMT
- Organization: Harvard Math Department
-
- I have a need to graph functions. They are only simple y = f(x)
- affairs. I've heard that GraphToolz is good for this but have been
- unable to find it anywhere. I would really appreciate it if some kind
- soul could mail me a Binhex of this program, or any others you know that
- might help. There are many programs that plot data files but that's not
- good enough.
-
- Thanks.
- --
- David Fry fry@huma1.harvard.EDU
- Department of Mathematics fry@harvma1.bitnet
- Harvard University ...!harvard!huma1!fry
- Cambridge, MA 02138
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: tk@cvl.umd.edu (Tharakesh Siddalingaiah)
- Subject: robot quest
- Date: 19 Jan 88 21:30:57 GMT
- Organization: Center for Automation Research, Univ. of Md.
-
- We are looking for an educational robot arm in the $5,000-$10,000 price
- range, which can interface to the Macintosh. We would like to hear from
- anyone who has heard about such systems, and, hopefully from people who
- have used them. Please respond by E-mail.
-
- -tk
- --
- Tharakesh Siddalingaiah ---
- University of Maryland Computer Vision Lab, (301) 454-5858
- ARPA:tk@cvl.umd.ed UUCP:{seismo,allegra,brl-bmd}!mimsy!cvl!tk
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: lsr@apple.UUCP (Larry Rosenstein)
- Subject: Re: Adding to STR# resources
- Date: 19 Jan 88 23:07:00 GMT
- Organization: Advanced Technology Group, Apple Computer
-
- A couple of comments about this:
-
- In article <7927@eleazar.Dartmouth.EDU> earleh@eleazar.Dartmouth.EDU
- (Earle R. Horton) writes:
- >
- >String_list_length = 2 + value_of_header_word + sum_of_length_bytes + PAD
-
- What is the purpose of the PAD? The MPW Rez tool doesn't generate any
- padding after the strings. There is no harm in adding padding, however.
-
-
- Second, a good call to use for this case (often overlooked) is Munger.
- Munger operates on the bytes in a handle and can insert, delete, or
- replace any sequence of bytes. By using Munger you don't have to worry
- about changing the handle size or moving bytes around (if you wanted to
- insert in the middle).
-
-
- Finally, one thing to watch out for is the fact that the individual
- strings can start on an odd byte boundary. I ran into this with my
- ApplicationMenu INIT, since menus items are stored the same way. You
- can't use a StringPtr variable to point to one of the strings, since
- such a pointer needs to be even. (This is at least true in MPW Pascal.)
- --
- Larry Rosenstein
-
- Object Specialist
- Apple Computer
-
- AppleLink: Rosenstein1
- UUCP: {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr
- CSNET: lsr@Apple.com
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: mkhaw@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Mike Khaw)
- Subject: Claris & MacTerminal?
- Date: 19 Jan 88 07:30:47 GMT
- Organization: Teknowledge, Inc., Palo Alto CA
-
- Does Claris now own MacTerminal and MacPascal as well?
-
- Mike Khaw
- --
- internet: mkhaw@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa
- usenet: {uunet|sun|ucbvax|decwrl|uw-beaver}!mkhaw%teknowledge-vaxc.arpa
- USnail: Teknowledge Inc, 1850 Embarcadero Rd, POB 10119, Palo Alto, CA 94303
-
-
- ------------------------------
-
- From: mkhaw@teknowledge-vaxc.ARPA (Mike Khaw)
- Subject: cheap spreadsheet?
- Date: 19 Jan 88 07:32:29 GMT
- Organization: Teknowledge, Inc., Palo Alto CA
-
- Sorry if this is old hat, but are there shareware/freeware spreadsheets
- for the Mac, and if so, are they any good (i.e., Mac-ish)?
-
- Thanks, Mike Khaw
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- internet: mkhaw@teknowledge-vaxc.arpa
- usenet: {uunet|sun|ucbvax|decwrl|uw-beaver}!mkhaw%teknowledge-vaxc.arpa
- USnail: Teknowledge Inc, 1850 Embarcadero Rd, POB 10119, Palo Alto, CA 94303
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- From: rock%warp@Sun.COM (Bill Petro - Program Management Office)
- Subject: MacWorld Expo Report: Gassee's address
- Date: 19 Jan 88 20:11:15 GMT
- Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View
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- Macworld Expo 1988 Report
- by Bill Petro
-
- Report on keynote address by Apple VP Jean-Louis Gassee: "How to Keep
- Japan Inc. from Eating our Sushi".
-
- The outspoken and flamboyant vice president of research and development
- for Apple Computer told the more than two thousand present that if
- America licenses its processor technology and system software to the
- Japanese it would lose its supremacy in the personal computing market.
-
- In his twenty-six minute keynote address to the MacWorld Expo held at
- Moscone Center in San Francisco Saturday morning, Gassee identified what
- he believed were three trends that threatened America's position in
- world economy. First, he said, "In technology we are losing our
- jewels." "In the workplace", he said, "we are losing our spirit, and in
- education we are losing our minds." In education he said, we are
- graduating from our colleges only one half of the engineers we need. In
- the industry only 5% of the employees are engineers. He said that 75%
- of the MIT graduating engineers are snatched up by Digital Equipment
- Corporation. In Japan, 30-40% of the employees are engineers. In the
- Japanese parliament, 53% of the members have technical backgrounds, in
- the U.S. congress, only 2. Not 2% but 2 people. It escaped no ones
- notice that Gassee's background is as a mathematician.
-
- In the workplace, he pointed out that one of the most exciting
- automobile manufacturers in America is in Ohio - Honda of Ohio. But he
- spent the most part of his time discussing the technological area, where
- he felt that we are giving away our "crown jewels". (He said that the
- Apple legal department recommended against using the phrase "family
- jewels".) He pointed out that one of the things that has kept the
- Japanese from developing a strong "home grown" personal computer market
- is the difficulty of their language, their very difficult script. A
- fully developed vocabulary can take over ten thousand characters, not
- words, to fully express it. However, if America were to license its two
- most significant technological weapons - its processor technology and
- its system software, the Japanese would be eager to test it, refine it
- and then offer to the market a cheaper, faster, and better alternative.
-
- "Freely licensing system software to all comers would be to give away
- the crown jewels", said Gassee. "Since Japan can get access to RISC
- technology and the new standard operating system, in the same way the
- Japanese can claim a huge market share as when the transistor was
- licensed." "Apple will not do this." "It will adapt standards as they
- will help customers." This was greeted by a round of applause. Gassee
- did congratulate Digital Equipment Corporation for their "David-like"
- success against the "Goliath" of the industry by using a proprietary
- operating system.
-
- Following his address were twenty-five minutes of question and answers.
- When asked what Americans should do, he said that protectionism would
- not solve the problem of maintaining the competitive edge we currently
- have in the personal computing market. However, he did suggest voting
- with wallets. Although he did not mention any particular vendors by
- name, a question from the audience mentioned Sun Microsystems. He was
- careful to avoid a direct comment about any particular company and tried
- to keep his answers general, but did say that companies that followed
- the practice of licensing their microprocessor technology and system
- software to the Japanese would see their margins decrease. He
- recommended that the "David's" must protect their research and
- development ability, and that "a shot in the arm now" could be "a shot
- in the head later". "The Japanese are willing to examine your product
- and offer some helpful comments about bugs, but will then later say to
- the market, 'Yes that is nice, but we have something that is cheaper,
- faster, and better'".
-
- Gassee is an entertaining and engaging speaker, and is the most
- personable and colorful of the Apple spokesmen. He made jokes about
- MBA's and lawyers. However, on a couple of occasions he responded to
- questions by not answering them in a way that one would hardly notice.
- To the question, "How does Apple's local operating system avoid the
- 'Tower of Babel' situation we have now", Gassee curiously and rather
- conveniently misunderstood the question and answered instead by
- explaining that the Macintosh OS "resource files" could be customized
- for any particular language in the world, replacing English with French
- for example. It was clear, at least to this reporter, that the question
- dealt with a closed operating system in a world of emerging standards.
-
- A thirty minute panel discussion titled "Macintosh - Wizard of '88"
- followed his address during which he was asked other questions. To the
- question about whether Apple was endeavoring to produce a second
- standard with its QuickDraw page description language when it appears
- that the industry is moving toward a universal acceptance of PostScript,
- his answer was rather circumlocutious, suggesting differences with
- screen and printer resolutions, and the difficulty of re-engineering.
- However, this view is not shared by all, and Cary Lu, the
- "philosopher-writer" of the Macintosh world as much as said so in the
- panel discussion. He believes that there will and must be one standard
- page description language.
-
- When Gassee was asked about the rumor of whether Apple will supply a
- answerlow cost" Macintosh, Gassee answered that Apple needed to maintain
- its profit margin in order to supply the research and development needed
- to maintain its high standards. This answer was less than convincing
- and Cary Lu made a number of interesting comments. "Apple offers no
- portable Macintosh, no low cost Macintosh, and no high powered
- Macintosh", said Lu. "Can one computer company supply the need? If RCA
- had not licensed its technology where would the television be now?" Lu
- wanted to see "just enough profit margin for research and development".
-
- Cary Lu offered three scenarios for the future. "Apple could hold on to
- its private operating system and others would compete like Windows,
- X.11, and OS/2 and prices for the high end competitors would come down."
- Secondly, "it could be cloned without permission, and forgetting the
- legal issues, there would be the difficulty of software compatibility."
- Thirdly, "Apple could license its ROM. This might not seem to be in
- Apple's interest. But how about second or third sources? This would
- allow for a high performance or a low cost machine."
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- {cbosgd,decwrl,hplabs,seismo,ucbvax}!sun!warp!rock Bill Petro
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